tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post567803557835935193..comments2024-03-05T09:22:39.828-06:00Comments on Wyvern Oaks: Why Paddy struggles so much with the canter (gait analysis)jenjhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-14021230293893543052015-12-14T09:10:52.457-06:002015-12-14T09:10:52.457-06:00DAP is or is not frowned upon, depending on who yo...DAP is or is not frowned upon, depending on who you ask. What I've learned from staring at pictures of all kinds of horses is that it's not at all uncommon, regardless of the horse's age, breed, or level of training. It seems like MOST horses don't QUITE land at the same time. jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-87284888890957334102015-12-12T21:56:01.014-06:002015-12-12T21:56:01.014-06:00So interesting that trot DAP is frowned upon. My ...So interesting that trot DAP is frowned upon. My dressage trainer said that you'll often see it in the photos of really uphill horses, and it's true -- I've started to see it in both trot and canter of uphill horses now that I look for it!<br /><br />Jenji(ay) -- way to go for picking up on that. I did not notice it at ALL looking at those pics. Nicolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834098473974912416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-19036143503714629172015-12-11T11:05:56.667-06:002015-12-11T11:05:56.667-06:00Hahaha! Love it!Hahaha! Love it!jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-72499079899259980012015-12-11T11:05:46.816-06:002015-12-11T11:05:46.816-06:00Oh yes, I'm used to that from Reddums. It'...Oh yes, I'm used to that from Reddums. It's a tough thing to fix for sure! jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-76378100645111328282015-12-11T11:05:07.919-06:002015-12-11T11:05:07.919-06:00He basically does not canter on his own - he can t...He basically does not canter on his own - he can trot just as quickly as the other horses canter. Lunging is worse than riding - he struggles so much and I think having a rider help him balance back and insist on transitions is actually better. It sounds nuts, I know, but for him that seems to be the case.jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-46485826972392163682015-12-11T11:01:35.017-06:002015-12-11T11:01:35.017-06:00I know! So many helpful suggestions!I know! So many helpful suggestions!jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-43939158407514889372015-12-11T11:00:52.214-06:002015-12-11T11:00:52.214-06:00Oh, I saw that video! I do canter transitions from...Oh, I saw that video! I do canter transitions from walk leg yield or trot leg yield. If I ever get coordinated enough to do half pass, you'll be the first to know lol!<br /><br />And no, I don't appreciate the creative canter ;)jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-78987193364638213752015-12-11T10:59:29.514-06:002015-12-11T10:59:29.514-06:00Yeah, Paddy's not the only one, but his is qui...Yeah, Paddy's not the only one, but his is quite severe and because he's on the forehand, NOT because he's got a more lifted shoulder lol!jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-55318755055717782015-12-11T10:58:26.239-06:002015-12-11T10:58:26.239-06:00We had started counter-canter, but are not coordin...We had started counter-canter, but are not coordinated enough for either a halfpass or haunches in. More balance needed. I do need to move my arms and follow the motion better - that's actually something I'm working on on Taran, because I know he won't go splat if I let go. We do lots of transitions... so many. SO MANY! Thanks for the suggestions!jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-29712481124286750922015-12-11T10:56:30.730-06:002015-12-11T10:56:30.730-06:00Oooh, SQUARES! Brilliant! I'll add those to th...Oooh, SQUARES! Brilliant! I'll add those to the list!jenjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01737679332792618499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-15155990065361472192015-12-09T20:29:07.128-06:002015-12-09T20:29:07.128-06:00Damn autocorrect. Panter, not panther lolDamn autocorrect. Panter, not panther lolappydoesdressagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247747981543003242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-56916254425078036582015-12-09T20:28:36.387-06:002015-12-09T20:28:36.387-06:00This is something I am all too familiar with, sadl...This is something I am all too familiar with, sadly, thanks to TWH being gaited. We have coined it the "Panther" more of a pacing/lateral canter. Unfortunately hard work is the only solution to make it better, I was never able to actually fix TWH, only make him better. Lots of collection and disciplining him when he 4 beats vs 3 beats to encourage him to try harder. I feel your pain on this one, all too well :-(appydoesdressagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03247747981543003242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-52451810035027189602015-12-09T20:13:25.154-06:002015-12-09T20:13:25.154-06:00What is his canter like when you're not riding...What is his canter like when you're not riding? I wonder if some (unmounted) lunge work with lots of transitions would help him figure it out before adding you into the mix.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814256268994633384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-29565603228571481612015-12-09T17:15:02.471-06:002015-12-09T17:15:02.471-06:00I'm lovin these comments for my own education!...I'm lovin these comments for my own education! :DL.Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05052638724440787772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-37976331591397728082015-12-09T15:32:31.710-06:002015-12-09T15:32:31.710-06:00Rhythm at the canter is so interesting. Especially...Rhythm at the canter is so interesting. Especially seeing as positive DAP at the canter is celebrated while there are all those videos and posts about how any DAP at the trot is a bad thing. <br /><br />There was a youtube video of someone fixing a lateral canter with canter transitions from the walk in shoulder-in... maybe it was another exercise. I've also found that my dad's TWH (who has a very lateral canter) is less lateral on hills. I think it really forces them to rock back and use their haunches a bit more. I also vote quick transitions, reducing the number of steps of canter, and half pass in on a circle, then leg yield out. <br /><br />Poor Paddy! No one appreciates his creative canter rhythm. Meganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04255900012774193536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-66146359796773557592015-12-09T15:07:04.143-06:002015-12-09T15:07:04.143-06:00it seems like a *lot* of horses that land slightly...it seems like a *lot* of horses that land slightly out of sync like that in the canter (spoiler: my mare is one of them, esp in her more open jumping canter). <br /><br />horse and hound did an article on photographing the sport horse in action (http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/photographing-dressage-horses-look-473936) that focused on which phases of the gait made for the most flattering photographs, and this exact issue was discussed, oddly enough - saying that more advanced horses will land with that foreleg slightly earlier to accommodate a more lifted shoulder. <br /><br />not sure it makes you feel any better or anything (or if it's even relevant to Paddy's canter), but just thought i'd point it out! emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686949099663199382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-83531535448304606082015-12-09T14:46:56.242-06:002015-12-09T14:46:56.242-06:00Sound enough is step one!Sound enough is step one!SprinklerBandithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948487857418394022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-31941631379786490082015-12-09T14:23:39.010-06:002015-12-09T14:23:39.010-06:00Hope Paddy is back in action soon! To fix the cant...Hope Paddy is back in action soon! To fix the canter rhythm, I would suggest: allowing the neck's nodding motion in canter with your arms (kind of like in walk), doing downward transitions (to trot) before the canter rhythm breaks down and gradually increasing the number of strides you canter (even if it takes you two months to get up to half a circle), working on transitions within the canter, introducing counter canter (good for strength building), riding haunches-in on small circle in the canter (needs to be a definite and purposeful haunches in), riding (mini) halfpass in canter, just as a tool, not to train that movement. Good luck!NNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17544716401030481388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3204283740895921092.post-39570617068711899822015-12-09T10:50:58.115-06:002015-12-09T10:50:58.115-06:00Poor paddy pony :( Hope the rehab's going well...Poor paddy pony :( Hope the rehab's going well!<br />I love riding squares rather than circles in the canter to develop 'sit' and get them off that outside shoulder. The sit comes naturally with a really square turn, and for four-beated horses they can't actually make the turn if the outside front is coming down first, so when done correctly it forces a nicer 3-beat gait.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197789181776030907noreply@blogger.com